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hi everyone this is martin willis

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welcome to podcast number 32 with mark

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sima in china

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we're talking about his science fiction

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novel based on facts the texas lights

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and then we get into the serious topic

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of ufos and how that's viewed worldwide

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it's a very interesting show today and i

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hope you enjoy it if you'd like to like

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those icons are right on our website if

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you'd like to contact me that's martin

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i'm on skype all the way to beijing

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china with mark simmer how are you doing

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mark hi martin thank you for having me

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certainly and mark is the author of

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a science fiction book

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uh but he has so much more to say and

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the name of that book is texas lights so

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why don't you tell

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the audience a little bit about yourself

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mark well i was born in in switzerland i

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grew up in paris and from my late teens

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i started to spend a lot of time in

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canada

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on the family ranch way north in

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smithers british columbia and my

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background is in diplomacy and

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international aid

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in the 90s i was a junior diplomat for

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the european union and i was their

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political and press officer in cairo

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and then for many years i worked for

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an aid agency of the spanish ministry of

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commerce and i conducted development

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works in africa the middle east and asia

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we did public health airport

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communication

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environmental project and so on

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and now i live in china where i write

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and teach at a beijing university and i

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have the opportunity to share my life

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experience with chinese students chinese

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youth and that is very rewarding and

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meaningful exchange well what a pedigree

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you have this is really great that

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someone like you is interested in the

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ufo uh subject in general what would you

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like to do next would you like to talk

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about your book

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yes certainly um

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texas lights is um

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was published this fall it's part of a

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series of novels that i'm writing and

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the series follows the adventure of paul

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madok a canadian spy

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from the end of the cold war to the

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present day

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and i realized that

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we read a lot about american spies about

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uk spies but there are not many heroes

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coming from your friendly neighbor north

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of the border

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so anyway i felt canada deserved another

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one

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so i invented medoc a kind of tin tin

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for grown ups

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and canada is close all the closest ally

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on the united states as together they

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share most of the north american

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at the same time it is a separate

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country with its own history its own

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political and security institutions its

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own set of national interests

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so paul medoc being canadian i think can

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provide i hope an interesting

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perspective for american readers on

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subjects such as new challenges of the

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21st century the war on terror or for

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what interests us today the ufo

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phenomena so

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texas lights starts almost exactly five

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years ago when in january 8 2008 strange

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lights are reported by many witnesses

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above the city of stefanville

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and what interested me most in this

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particular event and this is very much

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the premise

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for this book is in addition of being a

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massive sighting and the most important

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ufo event since phoenix arizona in 97

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this very large object was seen

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traveling towards the presidential ranch

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you know the western white house as it

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was nicknamed that

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thanks to the 5 million hits of raw

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radar data that was analyzed that the

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object was detected just 10 miles from

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what would have happened if the united

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states president had been there that day

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a massive and unknown object the size or

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going straight at him in or post-9 11

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world and all these being observed by an

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awak plane and a number of jet fighters

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so i i really got my story when i asked

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what if the president was not just there

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on vacation but was about to receive the

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prime minister of canada for an official

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visit you know putin had been to the

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texas ranch and many more presidents had

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been there

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so the the novel starts in no tower with

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the prime minister very much looking

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forward to to start his trip it's an

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important location for him politically

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but also personally because it's the

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first international outing together with

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his new wife

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and just before takeoff the americans

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ask for a two hours delay followed by

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another delay before the trip is

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canceled altogether

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and as expected when we are dealing with

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a ufo event and the u.s government is

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saying nothing

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even to his close ally

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the american side absolutely refused

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that day or later to provide any kind of

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explanation other than saying that they

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had been a serious security bridge at

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the branch

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so the the prime minister is extremely

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upset

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and he feels that he has been uh to an

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extent ridiculed in front of his press

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so although he knows the risk of doing

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so he requests that the best agent

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of csis be sent to iraf county texas

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and csis is the canadian security and

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intelligence service

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the equivalent of the u.s service secret

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service in charge of vips and diplomatic

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missions protection but it's also the

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canadian equivalent of the cia

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and the best secret agent is no other

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than paul medoc

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now in his 40s director of operation

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is already very busy trying to keep

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canada safe and he's preparing for an

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upcoming g20 summit of heads of

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government in vancouver so medoc really

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has other pressing matters than chasing

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ufos in texas

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he knows enough about that matter to

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believe that it's very unlikely for him

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to find anything decisive or even new on

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the issue a month after dozens of

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ufo investigators have been there

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so he takes his undercover mission as a

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sort of a strange and dangerous vacation

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uh the america has been extremely clear

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that they consider the mata as a

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national secret and a close case and

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is available

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uh you know against basic rules to spy

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on an ally

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medic takes all the precaution of his

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trade and to travel to stephenville

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undetected and he certainly does not

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know that six days later

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his life would have been changed forever

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and this stephenville event is only the

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start of the book and for the rest what

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paul mcduck finds there the people he

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meets all is totally invented i mean it

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is a novel it's a work of fiction not a

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narration of field investigations i mean

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angelia joyner mufon have done that

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already and much better than i could

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ever do

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and actually i do not think it matters

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much uh for a novel

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if people that they saw you know red

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orbs or green orbs

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or if there was one or many object or if

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the witness were called this or that

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what i was much more interested about

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was to imagine how people in a small

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town in texas could have been changed by

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and i was also interested to find out

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what would have happened to the

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president that day

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anyway i tried to write a very

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fast-paced novel

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and it's also a story of self-discovery

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and the story of true love

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my purpose

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is that the reader should have as much

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excitement and fun reading it and i had

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writing it now i've heard this type of

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situation called alternative history and

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there's a lot of

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alternative history fans out there for

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all types of things that have happened

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in history but i really like the way

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this uh weaves in uh part of a true

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story of what actually happened into a

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fictional novel sounds great now

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from what i've researched a little bit

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about this stephensville lights

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is uh that

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this object was tracked

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up to 2100 miles an hour and down to 37

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miles an hour and as far as i know

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there's nothing that we have

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of any type of technology especially

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size of a football stadium

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that can move like this how much

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research did you do ahead of time before

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you started writing this book i i think

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that's back then in 2008 i mean i wrote

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this book last last summer

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so you know four four years later but at

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the time of the event i was

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i really followed it i i it was a you

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know massive event and i i i read uh

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everything i could i could on it and i

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he emailed at the time

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angela joyner and she was very kind to

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to answer

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so i was very

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at the time very quite shaken by it uh

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you know we had youtube videos and it

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was all over the place and no

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no explanation like in for phoenix

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arizona but i also believe that you know

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the ufo uh phenomenon is a

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normal and important topic that should

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have is its place much more in

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mainstream contemporary fiction i'm not

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sure my novel is is science fiction

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i think it's it is just a novel it's

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just a fiction yeah it's an invented

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story like like like any others

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but it's not because there's a ufo in it

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that then it has to be

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science fiction i i don't believe ufo

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today

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should only belong to investigative

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journalism to science fiction to the new

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and the reason is because it's one of

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the most spectacular and widespread

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phenomenon of our time

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and whatever it is

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it has certainly changed the life of

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thousands or tens of thousands of people

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worldwide in the last 60 years

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in that sense it is very real because it

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is it is so real for so many of us i'm

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you have reached out to many people you

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would not have met otherwise you have to

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touch the life of others you have

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changed your outlook on things it has

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changed your life in a very real way

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that's right one instant everything

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changed you're right about that because

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it is taking such a large

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part of the consciousness of

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contemporary mankind

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the ufo phenomenon either we like it or

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not is already very much part of our

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reality uh this is already the opinion

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of the great kalian who founded

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analytical psychology

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and who in

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1954 published a book called flying

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saucers

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and he writes in the in the first

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paragraph and he had a quote

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if they are real what are they and if

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they are fantasy why should there be

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such a rumor and the meaning here is

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that even if ufos are a human

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psychological invention

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why do human need to invent them

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that mere fact oblige the scientists of

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the caliber and honesty of young to

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seriously consider the matter to

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seriously investigate in any case it

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should never be a matter of ridicule

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then we could ridicule everything that

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is important to the human mind

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right should we believe in love

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i mean we have only circumstantial

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evidence about that as well

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that's right we may also have indication

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telling us that it's maybe an illusion

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yeah not a real thing but we still

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believe in love

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should we get rid of it until science

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tells us that it's okay that it is real

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so i

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you know more seriously i think that the

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in the ufo case mockery mostly hides the

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person on ease with something that has

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the potential to shake up

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her or his worldview

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we know this process is always a rather

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painful one

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brings you know first confusion and so

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on so

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i think this is why there is so much

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resistance and unease about ufos and of

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course even much more in the case of uh

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alien abduction i mean the whole idea

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is just too terrifying for many

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and understandably so it's better to

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simply cast it aside but i think the

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evidence although circumstantial is

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nevertheless overwhelming i i do too and

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and this is a part that you know the

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skeptics

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will say well there's no there's no real

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evidence you don't have any real

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evidence

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and you can liken that to many many

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things dark matter we really don't have

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evidence for either

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um but you're right everything is uh is

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challenged basically with ridicule and

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has been for many many years so you

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lived in canada for a while and when you

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lived there what was your view on canada

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versus usa and ufos i should point out

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first that the the us and canada have

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had a constant covered scientific and

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security cooperation at least dating

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back world war ii probably earlier i

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mean both countries belong to the larger

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five anglo-saxon eyes the oscan zucco's

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a strange name

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made of the words australia canada new

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zealand the uk and the us and the oscan

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zuku's have created this worldwide

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infrastructure of listening stations

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that is known

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by the public as echelon

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so it is plausible that some canadian

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individuals have been privy to

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secret u.s information concerning ufos

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now being canadian it means that once

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they were made aware of the secret

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information it was much more difficult

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for the us

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to make sure that this knowledge would

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not be leaked out in one form or another

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and here we have the fascinating case of

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wilbert smith wilbur smith was a

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canadian radio engineer of high standing

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within the canadian government during

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the 1950s

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in fact he was officially in charge of

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canadian ufo studies between

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1950 and 1962

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and they even built an observation tower

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that was supposed to pick up magnetic

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waves made by flying saucers passing by

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an interview was arranged by the

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canadian embassy in washington dc for

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smith in presence of another official

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and they they met with dr robert

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sarwecker

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an electrical engineer and guided

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missile scientist but most importantly

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was then a consultant with the u.s

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research and development board and

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that's september 15 1950

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sarbacca told smith that he was

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confirming earlier report we don't know

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what those earlier reports were but we

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know that sarbacca confirmed one flying

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sources

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existed

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two they didn't originate on earth

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and three the subject was the most

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highly classified in the us government

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at the level higher than the h-bomb also

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that that very close relationship

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we we know now for the last few weeks

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only october of last year october 2012

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there were newly declassified material

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that shows the u.s air force had

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contracted

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um had a contract in in the 50s with the

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now defunct avro canada to build an

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aircraft um unlike anything seen before

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in the project 1794 i don't know if

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you've heard about about that no i

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haven't

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it's

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got as fast the initial rounds of

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product development and into a prototype

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type design

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it looked exactly like a flying saucer

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it was supposed to take off vertically

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and reach between mach 3 and mach 4

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service ceiling over 100 000 feet and so

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on the project was abandoned after two

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years

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but it clearly shows that the two

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countries had been involved in secret

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engineering trying to emulate ufo

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technology

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those are the you know last files coming

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out from the u.s air force then we have

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you know many famous sightings in canada

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over major cities and some of them

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lasting several hours a interviewed john

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kelly about that in an earlier podcast

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finally

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we have the former minister of defense

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uh paul terdor hellyer pc he had been

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the minister of defense in the 60s and

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he's still

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the longest serving member of the

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queen's privy council her majesty's

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advisor on state and constitutional

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affairs this is why

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his uh honorific name

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hellyer pc and over the last few years

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he has officially declared amazing stuff

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and here quote the the united states

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military are preparing weapons which

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could be used against the aliens and

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they could get us into an intergalactic

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war without us ever having any warning

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the bush administration has finally

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agreed to let the military build the

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forward base on the moon which will put

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them in a better position to keep track

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on the goings and coming of the visitors

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from space and to shoot at them if they

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so decide

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extraordinary stuff i mean it's probably

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not related but i was smiling when i

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read today the news about the nasa uh

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was getting ready to catch a small

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asteroid

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and place it by 2020 in a permanent

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orbit around the moon so that a forward

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base could maybe be constructed on it

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i don't i don't know if you if you read

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that i have not yeah

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so probably unrelated but uh helio went

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on in december 2004

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he called for a decade of contact

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an era of openness public hearings

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publicly funded research

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and education about extraterrestrial

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reality

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in two days 2007

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he demanded that world government

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disclose alien technology that could be

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used to solve the problem of climate

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change in 2010 he accused seven hawking

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of spreading misinformation about

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threats from a million he said they were

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not their jurors he said the reality is

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that today aliens had been visiting

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earth for decades and probably millennia

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have contributed considerably to our

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knowledge so

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canada is very much part of the ufo

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world debate and has contributed to what

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i call

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overwhelming circumstantial evidence and

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circumstantial um again and you

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mentioned that earlier it does not mean

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it is weak

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uh actually in the the diplomatic and

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political world

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we use circumstantial evidence all the

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time to form an opinion that is what

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diplomats do every day they talk to one

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person to the next and then they form

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their own opinion about a certain issue

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and they send a diplomatic cable back to

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their capital that cable although made

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of circumstantial evidence is indeed

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considered very seriously by decision

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makers

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and

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as for the ufo phenomena when you look

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at the pile of evidence

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you can find

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in the us and in canada and then you

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look at the rest of the world

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you discovered that many governments

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have been recording the same strange

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events everywhere

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you know the french committee report

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uk modifiers russian files the belgium

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wave

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japanese politicians declarations

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here in china

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we have

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many sightings as well

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during 2012

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we had incidents

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when

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moving lights in the sky seen by many in

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coastal cities below

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were real enough to prevent commercial

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airplanes to land that's right yeah

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there was a lot of news about that we

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just had a massive sightings on the

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chinese side of the himalayan border

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with india and so on just listen at your

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own podcast martin after 32 interviews

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there is so much in there only on your

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website you have gathered the source for

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overwhelming evidence for anyone not

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scared to look and we learn new things

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all the time i mean every time we add a

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piece to the puzzle and the picture

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become clearer i think every piece

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reinforcing each other um

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and because of the

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digital age i think that it that if

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there is a cover-up as wilbert smith and

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other investigators have reported

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the definitive truth that everybody will

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come to accept will finally surface

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maybe less likely from the disclosure

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project itself

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in government's

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love to hide things and they're quite

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good at it they think they should

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continue to do so but

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finally truth

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uh will surface because for the first

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time in history i'm sitting here in

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beijing and like billions of others i

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can take a picture of the sky right now

568
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,559
and share it instantly with you and the

569
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,080
whole world on twitter

570
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,919
so you cannot keep a lead on that i

571
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,280
think it's just a matter of time you

572
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:57,520
know i also think that back

573
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,360
in the in the 50s in the heydays of the

574
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,600
cold war when the us and ussr were

575
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:03,600
working so hard

576
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,919
for having an edge over each other the

577
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:07,919
u.s official at the time probably felt

578
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,240
that if they could ever benefit from

579
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,400
scientific discovery gleaned from a more

580
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,880
advanced species they should keep it for

581
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:17,120
themselves stalin would have done the

582
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,720
same

583
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:21,200
remember the emotion here when sputnik

584
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,919
was announced when it was revealed when

585
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,919
it was revealed that russia had gone

586
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,000
into space orbit before america there

587
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,159
was that was quite an emotional time and

588
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,400
they were even speculating that they

589
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:34,240
could drop bombs on us from the

590
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,360
satellite you know at that point so yes

591
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,679
so you've lived in different areas of

592
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:40,880
the world

593
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:43,440
can you tell the audience

594
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:46,400
how the ufo phenomenon is perceived in

595
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,000
different countries yes and and um

596
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:51,840
actually in in

597
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,720
in the book i i touch on the on that

598
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,960
idea that

599
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,120
other cultures have different attitude

600
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,120
towards ufos

601
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,039
about humans sharing the universe with

602
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,280
other intelligent beings and it was very

603
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,000
convenient for me to have um alinsu a

604
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,240
chinese american in the book and i like

605
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,840
her character a lot and she's very

606
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,760
independent brave and charming at the

607
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,200
same time

608
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,720
she's the perfect teammate for paul

609
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:18,640
medoc and additionally

610
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,600
although born in austin texas she has

611
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:23,440
roots in asia

612
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,240
and she is naturally familiar with asian

613
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,760
philosophy

614
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:29,760
and the way of looking at the world is

615
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,799
very different in asia from the west

616
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:34,960
in buddhism for example

617
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,760
you have much more than one reality

618
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,679
you have eight worlds

619
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,840
you have the human world plus seven

620
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,120
others

621
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:45,200
and each of them has its own set of

622
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,480
beings

623
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,240
and those eight worlds

624
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,799
and those beings some bad some good

625
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,360
communicate interact with each other and

626
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,559
mankind

627
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,240
and so that is

628
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,799
1.7 billion people who see the universe

629
00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:00,480
that way

630
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,200
and

631
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,520
i have not mentioned that in

632
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:05,520
in texas slides

633
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,320
but

634
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:08,559
you could also add the

635
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:11,919
1.6 billion muslims

636
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,320
islam is full of reference of

637
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,640
alien beings either here living side by

638
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,360
side with humans on earth

639
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,200
and other intelligence being scattered

640
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,960
throughout the universe

641
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:25,039
i mean the the quran is full of

642
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:26,159
reference

643
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,240
martin i i believe no one has quoted

644
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,840
from the quran on your podcast before

645
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:31,360
right that's right

646
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,640
but in surah 41 it says

647
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,120
and among his signs

648
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,600
is the creation of the heavens

649
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:41,360
and the earth

650
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,240
and the living creatures that he has

651
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:46,720
scattered through them

652
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,159
and he has power to gather them together

653
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,799
when he wishes

654
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:54,320
and there are other reference of

655
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,760
guardians in the sky and so on

656
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,520
additionally according to islam men were

657
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:00,960
created

658
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,840
together with jeans

659
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,600
are kind of spirits

660
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:06,799
um

661
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,080
in the form of a gene

662
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:15,440
and in surah 15 it says we created man

663
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:18,559
of clay and molded mud and the gene we

664
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,679
created before of flaming fire

665
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,000
and genes are sometimes good sometimes

666
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,320
bad like man himself

667
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,919
they can appear and disappear take

668
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,919
various shapes interact with humans even

669
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,600
seduce humans

670
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,360
form couples together

671
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,000
islamic law has even a section dealing

672
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:38,799
with relationships between men and genes

673
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:41,919
can you also talk about africa what

674
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,880
where you said you lived there as well

675
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,600
yes and i i think um

676
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:50,640
in the case of africa um

677
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,120
animism as it is as it is known uh

678
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,880
meaning the the

679
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,960
religion of uh

680
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,799
africa before

681
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:03,200
before the entrance of islam and

682
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:04,400
christianity

683
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:08,400
animism is full of spirits

684
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,279
so

685
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,480
and humans interact with spirits

686
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:15,440
so we i think we had um a

687
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,640
very good description from uh travels of

688
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:21,200
uh john mack in africa

689
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:22,559
um

690
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:23,360
who

691
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,240
uh

692
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:26,000
discuss

693
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,840
with different people about you know

694
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,720
being abducted by by african spirits and

695
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:32,559
the whole experience

696
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:33,760
looks

697
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,440
very much very similar or similar to to

698
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,760
alien abduction wow that's interesting

699
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,240
uh i would be interested to to hear

700
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,200
about your sighting martin uh what have

701
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,200
you seen chase i can't remember if i

702
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,919
mentioned this in a podcast i perhaps i

703
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,520
have not uh

704
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,679
i i don't think you did because i've

705
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,080
looked for that and i i okay i think i

706
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,840
listened to all of them but maybe i

707
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,240
missed it well here it's time i come out

708
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,080
and uh come out of the ufo closet and uh

709
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:06,640
what happened to me was uh

710
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,240
basically i had surgery back in 2006.

711
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,400
and i was

712
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,720
in carm i was in california at the time

713
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,360
and a neighbor of mine owned a ranch in

714
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,880
carmel valley california along the coast

715
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:22,880
and so it's a few weeks after surgery i

716
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:23,840
was

717
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,559
relaxing in their hot tub

718
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:29,120
i was by myself i was just looking up at

719
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:30,320
the sky

720
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,200
and

721
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,960
this is actually this is weird i do a

722
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,880
podcast on ufos and it's hard for me to

723
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,559
talk about this because

724
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,640
i always have like this feeling of

725
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,559
ridicules gonna happen

726
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,559
because it's it was you should not i

727
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,640
know you should be courageous like every

728
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:47,200
one of your guests that's right well

729
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,400
it's a bit possible it's a bit

730
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,880
postmodern but it's okay yeah well it

731
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,760
was it was such an unreal experience

732
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,240
um and when i go back to it it just it

733
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,000
just seems like you know it couldn't

734
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,240
have really happened but it did um i was

735
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,720
just sitting there and i just happened

736
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,240
to look up

737
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,559
uh something sort of you know was moving

738
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:08,159
and caught my eye

739
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,200
and it was a perfectly shaped disc

740
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:14,080
just as perfect as uh say a silver

741
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:15,039
dollar

742
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:18,480
and about that size and it was just like

743
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,840
almost like floating in a continuous uh

744
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,880
motion

745
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,960
uh toward carmel

746
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:26,799
uh and it had

747
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,760
it had a silvery light glow it was very

748
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,000
early evening i'm going to say about

749
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:34,559
7 38 p.m something like that

750
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,600
uh had a really light glow overall the

751
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,880
entire

752
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,679
uh

753
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:42,559
like a metallic light glow

754
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,039
and i just looked up at it and i i just

755
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,960
was i just couldn't believe what i was

756
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,720
seeing i didn't have a camera or

757
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,159
anything nearby i didn't even think

758
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,720
about that all i thought about was just

759
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,880
watching it and it made absolutely no

760
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,039
sound and at the time i had never heard

761
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,480
anyone say

762
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,399
i never really looked into it so i had

763
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,559
never really heard anyone else say that

764
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,960
they made no sound you know so uh you

765
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,720
know the whole thing was just not making

766
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,240
any sense to me

767
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,399
and what happened was uh

768
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,559
it it sort of like turned

769
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,080
and started heading

770
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:16,799
more directly toward carmel

771
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:19,679
i'm sorry monterey so i jumped out of

772
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,840
the hot tub i went uh hobbled into the

773
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,000
guest house at this ranch

774
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,320
uh called the police department

775
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,760
on the phone the only thing i wanted to

776
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,880
know was

777
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,720
if anyone else saw it you know and it

778
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,559
was heading toward monterey and had

779
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,440
anyone else seen this thing right away

780
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,000
um there was sarcasm and i was put on

781
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,000
hold for over 15 minutes before i hung

782
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,559
up and then i kept it to myself

783
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,880
i told one person that i worked with and

784
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,720
for many years i kept it to myself and i

785
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,559
didn't even tell my son about it until

786
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,039
last summer uh the one person i told

787
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,039
that i worked with was teasing me about

788
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,960
it and you know that's uh

789
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,720
that's kind of the way it is but i've

790
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:01,679
always been into astronomy and uh

791
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,480
so it's been uh it's it's been quite an

792
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,320
amazing experience ever since then and

793
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,640
yes uh that's that is what started this

794
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:10,880
podcast thank you well that's a great

795
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,830
and it should not be a matter of

796
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,840
ridicule i mean it's um

797
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:22,000
i've not seen anything that spectacular

798
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,000
i've seen seen strange uh things i've

799
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,440
seen twice in the middle east

800
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:31,840
green balls of fire

801
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,720
above my car while i was driving

802
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,750
in scandinavia i saw

803
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,919
what looked like you know the the swarm

804
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:44,240
of silver balls

805
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,120
you know

806
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,679
traveling in sync and and this could

807
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,080
have simply be balloon tied together

808
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:51,919
tied together i i don't know

809
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:54,960
um and one night and during the same

810
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,080
trip i saw four purple points of lights

811
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,880
in the distance at uh after sunset and

812
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,279
one of them flew rapidly uh towards

813
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:04,960
where i was standing

814
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,760
and i believe i saw the the ranch

815
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,080
around shape of it through the thin

816
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,480
clouds when it flew over the house

817
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,720
it looked exactly like a flying saucer

818
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,919
um

819
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,840
so you've seen quite a bit actually and

820
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,559
you know one thing i wanted to add about

821
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,320
what happened with me and i don't know

822
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:24,799
if it happened with you but ever since

823
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,919
that happened my eye is glued to the sky

824
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:29,840
i'm always looking um ever since that

825
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:32,880
happened uh certainly certainly i i

826
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,520
definitely checked the sky i mean

827
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,440
the sky is always beautiful to to watch

828
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,360
i think people don't look at it enough i

829
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,200
mean the the sky is something very very

830
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:43,120
beautiful to to look at

831
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,080
um

832
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:47,200
just you know just for the moon or

833
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,720
um what's

834
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,039
what i i did have i don't know if you

835
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,000
have those but i i had those very vivid

836
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:55,760
dreams of uh

837
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,120
uh about ufos ufos landing uh things

838
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,120
like this now i actually described

839
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:02,960
described one of those streams in the in

840
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,760
the book wow that's so uh

841
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,919
i think it is it is uh i think it's

842
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:09,120
relevant

843
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,080
to to to read carl jung you you'll

844
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,159
understand more and more why it is it is

845
00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:18,240
relevant because it's you know part of

846
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,520
your

847
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,200
psyche was trying to communicate

848
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,200
something to you uh so

849
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:26,159
so but you you didn't have any of any

850
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,520
vivid dreams

851
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,480
about you not myself no no i haven't do

852
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,679
you think

853
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,039
with

854
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,000
all the technology that we have now do

855
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,000
you believe that

856
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,080
um within

857
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,519
your lifetime

858
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,760
that this whole thing will come out um

859
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,760
as the truth will actually find out

860
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:48,559
what's going on uh yeah i think so

861
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,440
i i think so the we you know we are now

862
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,880
so interconnected we are in um

863
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:57,360
in a time where the whole world is like

864
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,320
uh

865
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:00,480
one interconnected mind

866
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:03,679
you know we we talk about um uh

867
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:06,799
collective uh collective learning

868
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,679
uh it's very very much the case today um

869
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:11,360
so

870
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,799
the potential for for the issue to to be

871
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,320
um

872
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,080
to come to light

873
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,519
uh and

874
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,760
to reveal itself once and for all i

875
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,200
think it's it's uh

876
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:27,840
the potential is there it can it can

877
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:30,880
happen uh you know sooner than we expect

878
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,110
indeed flying saucers

879
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,320
material uh something material

880
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,960
and maybe it's uh it is um

881
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,039
the whole issue is maybe uh you know

882
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,679
more spiritual like some people have i

883
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,760
thought of uh yeah a lot of people are

884
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:51,120
speculating

885
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,960
multi-dimensional or time travelers uh

886
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,960
who knows could be part of what we see

887
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,960
you never know i mean who's to say it

888
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,000
couldn't be

889
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,559
it's all very interesting yeah it is it

890
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,320
is well you've been absolutely wonderful

891
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:05,840
thank you so much

892
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:08,960
and the book is texas lights

893
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:12,240
with uh author mark simma in beijing

894
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,760
china thank you so much for joining us

895
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,919
today mark thank you martin all right so

896
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,480
this is martin willis with mark simma

897
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,799
and that's it for today

898
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,039
that was our guest mark simma

899
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,600
and one of the things i had a talk with

900
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,519
him about after

901
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:30,480
we finished recording was uh i suggested

902
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,519
to him

903
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,120
that if he could figure out a way to get

904
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,200
on coast to coast

905
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,360
it would be a great thing for his book i

906
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,200
know i have many thousands of listeners

907
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,440
i don't know exactly how many but it

908
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,279
seems like one of you who are listening

909
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,799
to the show

910
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,880
after listening to mark were as

911
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,799
impressed as i was

912
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,200
and if so you may know how to get a hold

913
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,120
of one of the george's or

914
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,600
john big john over there or someone at

915
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:58,720
coast to coast a producer perhaps that

916
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,640
could uh actually get mark on that show

917
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,640
so if you have a way of doing it drop me

918
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,399
a line martin